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If you've not heard the score from The Last Samurai, which by the way is my all time favorite Tom Cruise movie, you have missed some beautiful music. Check it out. You won't be disappointed.
If you hate a certain composer or their work, this isn't the place to be a troll about it. Think you can do a better job, without 'plagiarizing'? Do it, more power to you. Take your drama and your self-important opinion, and go find a hater-site. P.S. you rock hans zimmer!!
Zimmer is a good composer, but his scores are far too derivative of Wagner. Listen to Thin Red Line. He even likes to quote himself, with musical motifs that are drawn for his other file scores. The inspiration that breathes life into his score for Gladiator comes from Lisa Girard. While some may call Zimmer's reliance of other composer's works as homage, that only works on rare occasions when it is contextually appropriate to do so. Zimmer, on the other hand, often borders on plagiarism.
Someone find that chrism guy and give him a good punch in the gut. Hans Zimmer is certainly not as well known as John Williams, but he's almost as good. I say almost because he hasn't had like 70 years of experience. They both have their own styles, too. So you can't necessarily say one is better than the other, especially since it's a matter of opinion.
@Thomas O'Neal: I know you are getting a lot of heat from this, but I couldn't help myself. Hans Zimmer is one of the best movie score writers of our time.....I guess you just don't appreciate his skills or the good movies he composes for. Who ever thought Gladiator or Batman was boring?
@Thomas O'Neil: Yes, you are the only one. There's only one movie I did not like Hans Zmmer's score and that was Madagascar. Just doesn't work for me, but my little girl loves the movie, so in the grand scheme of things, who cares?
paying homage and drawing inspiration isn't plagiarism. plagiarism is wrongful appropriation. Zimmer is a very talented composer, as is Holst. get over yourselves.
What is interesting to me is that this is straight out of Gustav Holst - Mars' The bringer of war - from the album The Planets. Yet I don't see any attribution. If you look it up in Wikipedia, you'll find: In June 2006, agents representing the estate of composer Gustav Holst (1874–1934) filed a lawsuit claiming that Zimmer plagiarized material from The Planets. Specifically, The Battle was believed to plagiarize Holst's Mars, the bringer of war.
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@ThomasO'Neill thats because u R simple minded, possess an uncreative, boring, and uninspired mind =P and what @TheFlyingPenguin said =)
Am I the only one who finds Hans Zimmer unbearable? Every movie that has ever had his music in it has been the worse off for it to me. Boring, uninspired bravado.
It's not plagerizing if it's your own work. Well, maybe legally, but who knows.
Besides, many composers and artists tend to have works that sound similar. It's called style.
James Horner has been accused of the same thing. Yet if you look at the ENTIRE body of work, you'll see a difference from one decade to the next. Sure "Gladiator" had elements of Holst, Orff and Wagner, but most movie music does. I consider it a salute to those great composers, not plagiarism.
Who are you to judge every composer has his own style besides if he wrote both than its not plagiarist look at john williams most his music has an element of similarity to it. You can only write so much music before you cant write anything new
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Don't get me wrong, I think Hans is a musical genius but a plagarist. In this case it's himself (and perhaps Holst) he rips off. If you compare the motif in this piece (Gladiator) to Pirates, its almost note for note. I suppose you could argue that Pirates is the "maturing" of the themes layed down for Gladiator, but more like tweaking really. Strangely, perhaps sadly, I think Pirates is Zimmer's best work of that genre and perhaps his best ever.
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P.S. you rock hans zimmer!!
There's only one movie I did not like Hans Zmmer's score and that was Madagascar. Just doesn't work for me, but my little girl loves the movie, so in the grand scheme of things, who cares?
Besides, many composers and artists tend to have works that sound similar. It's called style.